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  • neoneo
    09-26 10:47 PM
    senthil1 makes more sense then this!

    I don't know who senthil1 is, nor do i care. If you nothing to reply please don't waste white space. My comments are not to stir up arguments but an observation.

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  • go_guy123
    05-26 07:38 PM
    I am sure you are not going to be silent and also going to act like a puppet when the border patrol will ask you. I have seen the similar case, when I was travelling back from india this fellow was ahead of me in the line at POE , his photo from the passport fall off and when he went to the officer and the officer asked what is this.. he was talking like a shivering cat. After interrogating him for an hour or so, he was let go.
    Luckily he was sitting next to me in the connecting flight, and now he was telling me the story in a totally different way. " I told the officer what can I do if the photo from the passport fall off".
    "I am waiting , but make sure that I get my connecting flight I got a very important meeting"... blah blah..

    I was laughing out loud in my heart.. Its quite interesting to see these kind of personalities.
    So I know what you gonna do , next time when you meet the border patrol. Accept the fact that we are middle class , god and immigration fearing creatures, who definitely have a lot of anger and aggression towards these laws and discrimination but cannot do anything about it and Also we like the life style and show off to the relatives in the India, that you are smart and rich NRI, are the reasons, we are not leaving this country despite of all these things.
    Good to know all this so while travelling just be prepared.. but I dun see a reason for making this coversation of 10 pages thread.
    Well I am gonna get more reds.. but I dun care. are the man....or woman (i dont know). every line is true.

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  • transpass
    04-10 12:07 PM
    Here are the details for last year and years before:

    (Thanks to user "sangiano" on : link: FY2009 Visa Data, Spillover to EB2 - Will it be Similar FY2010 (

    Employment Visas 2009

    Total Employment Visas for FY2009 = 141,020

    Theoretical values without spillover

    EB1 28.6% = 40,332
    EB2 28.6% = 40,332
    EB3 28.6% = 40,332
    EB4 7.1% = 10,012
    EB5 7.1% = 10,012

    Actual values with spillover

    EB1 40,978 = 29.1% received c.650 spillup visa used
    EB2 46,034 = 32.6% received c.5,700 spillover visas used
    EB3 39,791 = 28.2% received c.550 less visas than quota
    EB4 9,999 = 7.1% Zero spillup visas to give
    EB5 4,218 = 3.0% c. 5,800 spillup visas to give

    What is noteworthy is the fact that spillup/spillover visas were only available from EB5.

    In addition, EB1 actually consumed spillup visas and did not contribute any spillover visas as a result.

    This implies that the total spillover visas available to the 7% limited countries was only c.7,500. Since 5,800 came from EB5, less 650 used by EB1, this gives a subtotal of 5,150. In turn, this implies that there were only 7,500 - 5,150 = 2,350 as spillover from EB2-ROW. In the worst case the difference is entirely from EB5.

    I think it gives food for thought and shows the difficulty of trying to second guess visa consumption in Categories that are always current. I accept it might be easier to get a handle on non-NIW EB2 because of the PERM data available for ROW.

    I'm not sure why FY2010 would be much different, at least for EB1 spillover.

    Additional notes from subsequent posts:

    There was significant spillover in FY2007 because (based on 154,497 total EB visas) :

    EB1 only used 26,806 out of a possible 44,186 available visas.
    EB4 only used 4,794 out of a possible 10,969 available visas.
    EB5 only used 793 out of a possible 10,969 available visas.

    That gives a potential spillover of 33,731 visas to categories below EB1. In FY2007 that mostly went vertically to EB3.

    There was significant spillover in FY2008 because (based on 162,949 total EB visas) :

    EB1 only used 36,590 out of a possible 46,603 available visas.
    EB4 only used 7,648 out of a possible 11,569 available visas.
    EB5 only used 1,443 out of a possible 11,569 available visas.

    That gives a potential spillover of 24,060 visas to categories below EB1. In FY2008 that all went to EB2.

    The amount *was* smaller in FY2009 because (based on 141,020 total EB visas)

    EB1 used 40,978 which was more than the available visas of 40,332 (i.e. it used some of the spillup from EB4/EB5).
    EB4 used 9,999 out of a possible 10,012 available visas. (i.e it pretty much maxed out)
    EB5 only used 4,218 out of a possible 10,012 available visas. (i.e. much higher than previous years)

    That gives a potential spillover to EB2 of 5,161 visas, which is substantially lower than previous years.

    This is all his analysis based entirely on historic data (no predictions here; just what has already happened). All credit of analysis goes to him. I never crunched a single number; I am just an "integrater" of the info. Please also note that now we have found out that the word "spillover" should actually be "fall across and down"

    Hope this was the info you were asking for.

    Thanks Kondur. That was a very good presentation of the numbers. I very much appreciate it.


    1. Why did EB1 last year needed spillover visas, although it was current all the time? If a category is current, isn't that it has less demand than allocated numbers?

    2. As per May bulletin, EB4 might need a cut off. So we cannot expect any spillover from EB4. So that is clear. Now the spillover chances are from EB5, EB2 ROW and EB1(?). I am including EB1 because, given the current economy over the past year, should there be a better possibility of more spillover from EB2 ROW and EB1 compared to last year?

    3. Also why are the total EB numbers different in different fiscal years (e.g., 141020 in FY2009, 162949 in FY 2008 and 154497 in FY2007)? In FYs 2007 and 2008 did the extra visas come from Family based while it did not for FY 2009? If so, why is it so?

    4. Based on Pending 485 data of March 2010, I barely see few hundred EB4s. And hardly considerable number of EB1s. What's going on? If we go by this data, we should be getting good chunk of spillover numbers...


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  • laudo
    09-28 08:34 PM
    I finally got my green card after starting the process 3 years ago (most of the delay was because of a slight mistake of the part of my employee - a university - on the interpretation of how much experience I had and how much experience I was supposed to have to be an acceptable candidate for the job). Anyway, I filed the I-485 last February and received the green card last week. Meanwhile, the USCIS requested additional evidence twice, which probably delayed the decision by 1 to 2 months: first, they inquired on the legal status of my stay in the US - I came as a ph.d. student in 2000, requiring me to send copies of I-20s, I-94s, passport, visas, and a letter detailing dates and place of entry to and exit from the US; second, they requested evidence on bona fide marriage (we got married at the end of 2006), so I had to send our joint rent, insurances, credit card, and bank account contracts.
    So this was my experience. Took some time, but it was successful. My advice for self-filing is that you send all of this together with the I-485 to avoid delays with these request for additional evidence.
    By the way, I'm from Brazil and I'm an assistant professor in a state university.
    Last, I'd like to thank everybody who provides helpful information in this forum.


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  • nitlsu
    04-04 11:16 AM
    I don't think this bill would be of any consequence to the goal of IV unless they can maybe attach some GC-relief provisions to it.

    In reality this bill will never ever make it to the full Senate floor. Corporate America will ensure that it dies the same kind of death as all the immigration related bills from last year.

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  • willwin
    07-28 01:02 PM
    I did shake hands with Donald Duck, so did my 4-yr old daughter (in Disney Land), in hindsight I should have washed my hands well after that :(

    You are one funny guy in this thread with high sense of humor!! I like that!!!

    Only thing I don't like about you is - EB2. (Need to say I am EB3?)



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  • gcpain
    06-25 11:07 AM
    I was working with employer -A till 2006 and got I140 approved (June 2003 priority date) in EB3. In November 2006 I joined employer B as it is good for my carrier. I talk to employer A (body shopper) and he is ready to support for my green card as I worked for him for six long years and still he did not cancel my old H1B. My main aim here is to apply I485 as soon as I can.

    1. I have two options here my old employer (A) is body-shopper. So he will agree for both future or current employment. I have very good permanent job and bright future prospects with new employer (B). In this case what you guys advice me? Apply I485 as future employment or quit present job and join old employer (A) and apply I485 as current employment?

    2. If I do not join old employer (with whom I have I140 approved) now, in this case what are my options for I485 applying? (Only future employment I485/ I can file current employment I485 and not drawing any salary from old employer )

    3. Will I485 as future employment has any problems?

    4. Can I use AC21 after 180 days on my I485 future employment application?

    5. My new employer (B) already applied PERM LC for my GC in EB2 three months back and did not here anything from Atlanta DOL till now. What you guys advice me? Is it worthful to wait for this new EB2 LC or apply I485 as future employment with approved I140-EB3 with priority date June 2003.

    I am in really dilemma and unable to decide. Appreciate your advice in this matter. Thanks in advance to all your replies and wish you best of luck.

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  • vandanaverdia
    09-10 04:16 PM
    Done... sent to some students I know... and asked them to spread the word too...
    Good job yabadaba...


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  • abhijitp
    07-25 01:27 AM
    Your lawyers are not adding the employment letter because they are working in the ineterst of your HR department and not in your interest. Your HR thinks that after 180 days you will leave the job. So in order to retain you, they are filing incomplete application to invoke an RFE or rejection and keep things iin their control. Hope you are smart enough to see the games people are playing with your greencard application.
    Yes, I have this feeling already. Now, what happens if someone switches jobs using AC-21 and then this RFE is received? You have to submit the NEW employment / offer letter right? So how does this help the current employer to stop you from switching jobs?

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  • gcinprogress
    06-10 05:16 PM
    Sent. Also added my friends.


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  • retrohatao
    02-13 12:25 PM
    I think I am bit surprised to see not even a single posting as a reply. Believe it or not its huge problem than you can even imagine.

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  • Eternal_Hope
    12-10 01:56 PM
    Another reason for the slow movement is people getting married.. a spouse potentially accounts for yet another visa number and this adds to the unpredictability of the system. It gets even worse with non-US born kids.

    The solution to all our visa backlog issues is:
    1. Stop marrying.......
    2. Dont have children ...or atleast not in your home country



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  • thomachan72
    05-26 05:00 PM
    The point, like ACLU said, is : People should not be stopped/searched/questioned for no reason. It must be done only in response to a suspicious activity.

    This treatment of non-citizens vs. citizens is similar to black people not allowed to sit in the front seats. Just a new form of profiling.
    I completely agree. This is supposed to be the most advance nation on earth. If we show the drivers lisense and give them the social security number, shouldn't they be able to see whether we are legal or not? Carrying the I-94 is a possibility but it is not a picture ID. I am sure they will ask for passport if you only have the I-94. Now if I am required to carry my passport all the time that becomes a real pain particularly if we are on H1/L1 and present for quite a long time. I understand such requirements for B1/B2 who dont establish residence and are either in a hotel / somebody elses apartment. The bottom line is, "times are bad and they are looking for somebody to direct all their anger and unfortunately it is us that they have chosen". I still dont understand the logic behind this. Americans hate people comming here to work but appreciate people staying in their own country and producing cheap goods to be marketted here. There is also this quite ridiculous situation with the drivers lisense, right? most states we have to retake the whole damn test, yes computer and the acutal driving test, each year when we renew the H1b!! Interesting way the past immigrants treat the future immigrants!!

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  • DarkChild
    02-16 07:01 AM
    my motto is "don't start anything you can't possibly win" so i'm not gonna start on this man, that is just sick...


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  • vin13
    11-11 04:50 PM
    Second step is requesting members to send electronic signature. Basically they have to scan thier signature and send JPG file.

    Will there be any privacy issues?

    The next step is really to get an appointment with the official. We can get signatures/representation much easily.

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  • ronhira
    04-11 06:05 PM
    Good point. I appreciate your hard work.

    This may be helpful
    245(i), Adjustment of Status Permanent Residence, Life Act | V Visa, K Visa (


    Grandfathered children and spouses: Accepting Applications for Adjustment of Status Under Section 245(i) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, 06/10/1999 INS memo

    Section 245(i) defines the term "beneficiary" to include a spouse or
    child "eligible to receive a visa under section 203(d) of the Act." This
    applies to spouses or children "accompanying or following to join" the
    principal alien.

    An alien who is accompanying or following to join an alien who is a
    grandfathered alien is thus also the "beneficiary" of the grandfathered
    petition or labor certification application and is also grandfathered.

    Since an alien's ability to characterize himself or herself as
    "accompanying or following to join" the principal alien depends on the
    existence of a qualifying relationship at the time of the principal's
    adjustment, adjudicators must determine whether the relationship existed
    prior to the time the alien adjusted status. Officers should remember
    that the burden of proof to establish the qualifying relationship rests
    with the applicant.

    The spouse or child of a grandfathered alien as of January 14 is also
    grandfathered for 245(i) purposes. This means that the spouse or child
    is grandfathered irrespective of whether the spouse or child adjusts
    with the principal. The pre-January 15 spouse or child also are
    grandfathered even after losing the status of spouse or child, such as
    by divorce or by becoming 21 years of age, by the petitioner�s
    naturalization, through the parents� divorce, or even if the principal
    or petitioner dies. Grandfathered eligibility attaches to the person and
    not the petition. Many aliens with pending, grandfathered petitions or
    labor certification applications will marry or have children after the
    qualifying petition or application was filed but before adjustment of
    status. These "after-acquired" children and spouses are allowed to
    adjust under 245(i) as long as they acquire the status of a spouse or
    child before the principal alien ultimately adjusts status.

    An alien who becomes the child or spouse of a grandfathered alien
    after the alien adjusts status or immigrates cannot adjust status under
    section 245(i) unless he or she has an independent basis for

    "Aged-out" children

    Often, a principal alien who has filed a visa petition or labor
    certification application will have a "child" who reaches the age of 21,
    and thus no longer meet the statutory definition of child, before the
    petition or application is approved or the principal alien adjusts
    status. However, such an "aged-out" beneficiary will remain a
    beneficiary for the purpose of determining whether he or she may use
    section 245(i) to adjust status.

    Eligibility: An alien who is included in the categories of
    restricted aliens under 245.1(b) and meets the definition of a
    ``grandfathered alien'' may apply for adjustment of status under section
    245 of the Act if the alien meets the requirements of paragraphs (b)(1)
    through (b)(7) of this section:

    (1) Is physically present in the United States;
    (2) Is eligible for immigrant classification and has an immigrant visa
    number immediately available at the time of filing for adjustment of
    (3) Is not inadmissible from the United States under any provision of
    section 212 of the Act, or all grounds for inadmissibility have been
    (4) Properly files Form I-485, Application to Register Permanent
    Residence or Adjust Status on or after October 1, 1994, with the
    required fee for that application;
    (5) Properly files Supplement A to Form I-485 on or after October 1,
    (6) Pays an additional sum of $1,000, unless payment of the additional
    sum is not required under section 245(i) of the Act; and
    (7) Will adjust status under section 245 of the Act to that of lawful
    permanent resident of the United States on or after October 1, 1994.

    hypocrisy as its best...... need another quote from gandhi....

    u'r saying its crime for others to file application of their spouse & children...... aren't u waiting for the aos approval for u'r child...... but if other files for their family member..... according to u its a crime....


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  • srkamath
    07-12 08:54 PM

    Somebody with Nov05 PD tried to renew EAD and was given a 3 month EAD.......

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  • CSPAvictim
    07-09 06:53 PM
    I have a question: If this is indeed an internal DOS regulation, which it most probably is, does it mean that DOS can make changes without sufficient notice to the applicants/public? Does the Administrative Procedures Act come into play in such a situation?

    Remember this is internal DoS regulation and not a US Code or Law. They can change at any time and way they want to.

    The whole law-suit is essentially about hardship caused to applicants in multiple dimensions with a sprinkling of violation of law (info on which is still quiet hazy )to give some back-bone to the argument in the law-suit!

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  • pitha
    01-30 03:20 PM
    I believe it is also illegal to work before getting a social security number. When you are on H4 you dont have a social security number (you have an itin which is not good enough for working). You will not get a social security number unless you have work authorization (i797). H1 will start only after october 1, so you can apply for social security number only after October 1 (i.e if you have i 797), it will take you about 4 to 7 weeks to get ssn. You can work only after getting the ssn. Somebody correct me if i wrong here.

    One more thing about desi companies.

    When you go from H4 to H1 or F1 to H1, you are legally allowed to work for your sponsor only after H1 approval (I-797) comes, not after the receipt notice comes. When you transfer H1s from company A to company B, you can start working as soon as the receipt notice for transfer petition is received. That is the law.

    Now, since our dear desi employers are known to be greedy and also known to be comfortable in bending, breaking or ignoring the law, once they file for your H4 to H1 transfer, they would want you to start working right away. Forget about waiting for H1 approval notice, they are unlikely to wait even for the receipt notice. It would be illegal to work on H4 even if you have the receipt notice in your hands for H4 to H1 transfer.

    However, they would want you to work, so that you can start generating the revenue for the company. (hey, it costs money to do your transfer and money doesnt grow on trees). And who's gonna know. Once you are a willing participant in this, you are not going to report it, they are not going to report it and the client (your project location) would not even know the difference between H1 and H4. And ICE has its hands full in busting illegals working in meat packing plants.

    Now, that is not all. In order to cover up the fact that you were working (and on their payroll) while in H4 without waiting for H1 approval, they may pay you in checks other than payroll checks. Either as an expense check or something else(cash, money order etc). There is another law they are breaking in the process of covering up the immigration law violation. The tax laws. By not paying you on a regular payroll, they cannot deduct your income tax and the employer's payroll tax. So it would be "Off the books".

    Anyways, clarify with them that you will not work until you see the original approval of I-797 in your hands. That way, you wont be dragged into this mud.
    I am not advocating that anyone break any laws. I am just stating what I have known from this industry and the usual practices so that people can avoid getting into situations where they unknowingly break the laws due to their employers' greed. Also, I am not denigrating Desis or desi companies, I am myself an Indian.

    07-02 08:15 PM
    Yes it is fine.. Thank you so much..
    Please ask others to contribute..

    I did that in the afternoon but the GOOGLE status is showing "In Process"
    is that okay ? Here are the details :-

    Order Details - Jul 2, 2007 2:22 PM EDT
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    05-23 05:38 PM
    Here is the issue: If you are thinking of doing MBA to get a management job in a US company and are an Indian, please forget it. You might get a low level management position paying at most 80K. MBA is not for everyone - you have to have it in you to get something out of an MBA. It's not about landing that good job. You hear about the 1 crore offers that IIM students get from top American companies? Well, they are kicked out of the job in 1 year and then join Infosys or Wipro. Not because they are not brilliant but because their conversational skills are terrible and so is their language. Unless you are planning to settle in India OR REALLY THINKING OF PUTTING A LOT OF EFFORT in mastering the English language and your outlook, an MBA is not going to serve you in the US.
    Like, someone said, an MBA is more than just a degree. You can get a better, much higher paying job (300K+) without an MBA but with excellent logic, hard work, conversational skills and outgoing personality. No GC required :)

    GCVivek, I wanted to write that post, but you did already :)

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